Bondage and Safety - April 9, 2009

[2009/04/09 12:03] Tarl Field: Okay the subject is bondage and safety.
[2009/04/09 12:04] Tarl Field: So lets start with the more fun topic bondage
[2009/04/09 12:04] Jan Levee: ...
[2009/04/09 12:04] Jan Levee mumbles "..."
[2009/04/09 12:04] Tarl Field: Bondage is not limited to using just rope or cuffs you can use almost any material to restraint someone with.
[2009/04/09 12:05] Tarl Field: For the more odd bondage item i heard about is actually a armbind made out of 3 pair of pantyhose... grins
[2009/04/09 12:06] Tarl Field: When i first heard it was very unsure if it was true but it works as i tested it on a friend and she could not get out and since the other leg was pulled over her head she was semi blind as well
[2009/04/09 12:06] Tarl Field: Thats just one way. Satin sashes works as well if you want to restrain any one.
[2009/04/09 12:06] Dionysos Ulrik makes a note of that
[2009/04/09 12:06] Tarl Field: And the nylonarmbinder you can increas the number of layers to make it harder
[2009/04/09 12:07] Tarl Field: Now what other material can you use?
[2009/04/09 12:07] Tarl Field: Beside rope and cuffs
[2009/04/09 12:07] Dionysos Ulrik: duck tape
[2009/04/09 12:07] Tarl Field: Thats one and also a soft thing like bandages
[2009/04/09 12:07] Dionysos Ulrik: cling fole
[2009/04/09 12:08] Tarl Field: Now cling foil or film you have to be carefull with for a few reason
[2009/04/09 12:08] Tarl Field: One it can cause the body to overheat
[2009/04/09 12:08] Tarl Field: Two it might compress your arms and legs making it hard for the blood to flow freely
[2009/04/09 12:09] Dionysos Ulrik nods
[2009/04/09 12:09] Lilystarre Darkstone: nodding softly as she listens quietly
[2009/04/09 12:09] Tarl Field: And if you want to wrapp their heads make sure you make holes for them to breaththroug at each layer
[2009/04/09 12:10] Susanne Rugani: and be careful with duck tape and eyebrows ;)
[2009/04/09 12:10] Dionysos Ulrik grins
[2009/04/09 12:10] Tarl Field: And the bandages can also cause blood flow problems if its wrapped to tight
[2009/04/09 12:10] Tarl Field: Ohh yes ductape and hair dont mix...lol
[2009/04/09 12:10] Dionysos Ulrik: hard core wax job :)
[2009/04/09 12:11] Tarl Field: In deed
[2009/04/09 12:12] Tarl Field: And ofcourse you have the expansive leather and latex restraints to use but most of us cant afford those expensive bodybags and so on... smiles
[2009/04/09 12:13] Tarl Field: Now if a sub is flexible enough to get their elbows touching behind their back what should you think off.
[2009/04/09 12:14] Dionysos Ulrik: that the blood stream issint vut off
[2009/04/09 12:14] Dionysos Ulrik: cut
[2009/04/09 12:14] Tarl Field: Bloodflow as their veins an be blocked in the shoulder area
[2009/04/09 12:15] Susanne Rugani: oh really?
[2009/04/09 12:15] Tarl Field: And of course the hands...
[2009/04/09 12:15] Tarl Field: Yes as you pull the elbows together behind your back you stretch and press the skin and muscles in the front and that can block blood flowe
[2009/04/09 12:17] Dionysos Ulrik: is this the same with leggs ?
[2009/04/09 12:17] Tarl Field: And if you want to tie a crotchrope on your sub for a longer period of time. Make sure there is a thin layer proventing shaffing... smiles
[2009/04/09 12:17] Tarl Field: if you bend the legs in a hogtie be carefull with the teansion on the rop above the knees
[2009/04/09 12:17] Dionysos Ulrik nods
[2009/04/09 12:17] Tarl Field: Any questions so far?
[2009/04/09 12:18] Dionysos Ulrik: no not yet realy
[2009/04/09 12:18] Dionysos Ulrik: just one . what time does the demo sub commes in ?
[2009/04/09 12:18] Dionysos Ulrik smiles
[2009/04/09 12:18] Lilystarre Darkstone: a soft shake of her head*whispers* no Sir, not at this time *soft smile
[2009/04/09 12:19] Tarl Field: sadly i have no models at my bidding this night
[2009/04/09 12:19] Tarl Field: What i talked about so far is physical bondage
[2009/04/09 12:19] Tarl Field: There is something called mental bondage which might sound funny
[2009/04/09 12:20] Tarl Field: But its rather simple..
[2009/04/09 12:20] Tarl Field: If you order your sub to say kneeling in the hall way waiting for you to come home in a outfit you want them to wear thats a form of control and there for a mental bondage
[2009/04/09 12:21] Tarl Field: Now what other forms of mental bondage can you think off
[2009/04/09 12:21] Dionysos Ulrik: restrictions
[2009/04/09 12:21] Tarl Field: Good anything else
[2009/04/09 12:22] Lilystarre Darkstone: *lifts a hands,shyly,,,whispers** would having your sub kneel in a corner,"straight up on her knees",qualify, Sir?
[2009/04/09 12:22] Tarl Field: It would...
[2009/04/09 12:22] Tarl Field: As your ordered to stay on one spot without any physical bindings..
[2009/04/09 12:22] Leila Chieng: or simply don't allow your sub to speak
[2009/04/09 12:22] Dionysos Ulrik: not beeing alowed ta talk
[2009/04/09 12:23] Leila Chieng smiles
[2009/04/09 12:23] Tarl Field: The talking is a good example...
[2009/04/09 12:23] Lilystarre Darkstone: nodding softly,,whispers* yes Sir ,,,, thank You
[2009/04/09 12:23] Tarl Field: Works extra good if the sub never stops talking...lol
[2009/04/09 12:23] Dionysos Ulrik nods and smiles thinking of his donald duck sub
[2009/04/09 12:24] Tarl Field: And you can combine the two if your real evil say locking their hands in front with cuffs but leaving they keys where they can see them..
[2009/04/09 12:24] Tarl Field: And saying that they are not allowed to use the keys
[2009/04/09 12:24] Lilystarre Darkstone: nods softly as she listens ,,,
[2009/04/09 12:25] Dionysos Ulrik: letting her kneel with 2 glasses of water filled to the egde .... and forbid to make a drop .....
[2009/04/09 12:25] Tarl Field: And of course as always if you gag your sub make sure they are never alone
[2009/04/09 12:25] Tarl Field: Dion thats a evil idea i like it
[2009/04/09 12:26] Dionysos Ulrik: its gets better when you pleausre her .. they fault every time :)
[2009/04/09 12:26] Tarl Field: As i said a evil idea
[2009/04/09 12:26] Susanne Rugani: lol
[2009/04/09 12:26] Dionysos Ulrik nods and hides his horns
[2009/04/09 12:26] Tarl Field: But you need to give them a chance to complete their tasks or they might feel as failures
[2009/04/09 12:27] Tarl Field: Its a balance act as with any thing you need to balance it out or the sub might feel they failed you
[2009/04/09 12:27] Dionysos Ulrik: not always . but you are right
[2009/04/09 12:27] Tarl Field: And thats something every sub hates to feel
[2009/04/09 12:28] Tarl Field: So which form of bondage requiers the most supervision
[2009/04/09 12:28] Tarl Field: A normal tied to the bed... or a strict hogtie
[2009/04/09 12:28] Dionysos Ulrik: breathing
[2009/04/09 12:28] Dionysos Ulrik: oh a hogtie
[2009/04/09 12:28] Tarl Field: Breathing is a dangerous play as it can cause braindamages
[2009/04/09 12:29] Dionysos Ulrik nods
[2009/04/09 12:29] Dionysos Ulrik: even with a gag it can be dangerous when not beeing watched
[2009/04/09 12:29] Tarl Field: exactly
[2009/04/09 12:29] Lilystarre Darkstone: *softly* she would think that both would require supervision,Sir, as something could go wrong in both instances ,,,
[2009/04/09 12:29] Leila Chieng: every physical bondage should be supervised
[2009/04/09 12:29] Dionysos Ulrik: one more then the other i think
[2009/04/09 12:30] Tarl Field: As a friend told me use a cleave gag first then pack other material over that as the cleavage gag will stop the packing from getting down the throat
[2009/04/09 12:30] Susanne Rugani: everything where you stand. if you faint you will hang around for a while if no one is there.
[2009/04/09 12:30] Dionysos Ulrik: i got this solved with my camera . that i can see from the other room on my screen . when i leave her alone for some time
[2009/04/09 12:31] Tarl Field: Your both correct but the first thats tied to the bed will handle better if you need to go to the kitchen to fix something to drink
[2009/04/09 12:31] Tarl Field: Thats one way
[2009/04/09 12:31] Tarl Field: Any way of keeping track of your subs safety is good
[2009/04/09 12:31] Dionysos Ulrik: but that doenst mean you can leave her to long alone
[2009/04/09 12:31] Lilystarre Darkstone: softly* excuse this girl,Sir,,, but what is a cleavage gag? she is not familiar,,,
[2009/04/09 12:32] Tarl Field: if you take a scarf and just fold it up and tie it betwen your lips and pull it hard it will cleve your lips hence the name clevegag
[2009/04/09 12:32] Arn Lannock is Online
[2009/04/09 12:32] Lilystarre Darkstone: ahhh,,, thank You,Sir *soft smile*
[2009/04/09 12:33] Tarl Field: your welcome
[2009/04/09 12:33] Tarl Field: And there is one type of bondage that you need to be extra carefull with. And thats breastbondage
[2009/04/09 12:34] Lilystarre Darkstone: nodding as she listens attentively
[2009/04/09 12:34] Tarl Field: Specially if your sub happens to have implants
[2009/04/09 12:34] Tarl Field: But even in normal case you need to be carefull and make sure you can untie the thin cord...
[2009/04/09 12:34] Dionysos Ulrik grins when he sees in his mind implants shooting across the room
[2009/04/09 12:35] Tarl Field: The danger that a implant might burst or start leaking is small but how ever they are there
[2009/04/09 12:35] Tarl Field: But a tight breastbondage that makes their breast and nipples extra sensative is fun
[2009/04/09 12:35] Tarl Field: Although i doubt the sub might agree all the time...lol
[2009/04/09 12:36] Dionysos Ulrik smiles
[2009/04/09 12:36] Lilystarre Darkstone: smiles softly,eyes darkening slightly
[2009/04/09 12:36] Tarl Field: Now Nippleclamps you should be carefull with as they will cut of the blood flow to the nipple
[2009/04/09 12:36] Tarl Field: Some one told me 5 to 10 min max...
[2009/04/09 12:36] Dionysos Ulrik: it also depends on the kind of bite it has
[2009/04/09 12:36] Tarl Field: But that depends on which clamps and how tightly they are applied
[2009/04/09 12:37] Lilystarre Darkstone: *softly* she has heard 3-5 minutes,Sir ,,,
[2009/04/09 12:37] Dionysos Ulrik: when you can adjust it you can put them on a long time
[2009/04/09 12:37] Lilystarre Darkstone: what of a "zipper",Sir? for a time limit?
[2009/04/09 12:38] Tarl Field: zipper thats something i have not heard about please explain
[2009/04/09 12:38] Dionysos Ulrik: a row of clothing clambs
[2009/04/09 12:38] Anaxagoras McMillan is Online
[2009/04/09 12:38] Tarl Field: Ahhhh now i follow
[2009/04/09 12:38] Dionysos Ulrik: there you ahve on Tarl i just gave you
[2009/04/09 12:39] Dionysos Ulrik: one
[2009/04/09 12:39] Tarl Field: samething there be carefull with the time but if they sit in the skin it can be longer..
[2009/04/09 12:39] Dionysos Ulrik gave you Clothespin Zipper.
[2009/04/09 12:39] Lilystarre Darkstone: *softly* a zipper,Sir, is composed of ... *nods to Sir Dion,whispers* along a cord or string,,, they are simultaneously "ripped" off -- sighs
[2009/04/09 12:39] Tarl Field: Now i really know what your meaning lily
[2009/04/09 12:39] Tarl Field: Still be carefull of how long they stay on
[2009/04/09 12:39] Lilystarre Darkstone: smiles softly*
[2009/04/09 12:40] Dionysos Ulrik: you explained a better then me lily . thank you
[2009/04/09 12:40] Tarl Field: Every thing is based on how much the body can take
[2009/04/09 12:40] Tarl Field: With training the sub can learn to stand more and more
[2009/04/09 12:40] Tarl Field: But a body always has a limit
[2009/04/09 12:40] Lilystarre Darkstone smiles over to Sir Dion,whispers* You are most welcome,Sir,,, t'is her pleasure *smiles
[2009/04/09 12:41] Tarl Field: And with gags always remember this if the sub is the least amount of cold i dont recommend a gag
[2009/04/09 12:41] Lilystarre Darkstone: *eyes shimmer,,whispers* oh,Sir?
[2009/04/09 12:41] Dionysos Ulrik: i got a question about that ..... is it true the the skin gets "thicker" when it get "used" more ?
[2009/04/09 12:41] Tarl Field: well a cold usually makes it hard to breath through the nose correct
[2009/04/09 12:42] Tarl Field: Dion in a way yes
[2009/04/09 12:42] Lilystarre Darkstone: ahh,,, having a cold,,, yes Sir ,,that is correct --
[2009/04/09 12:42] Tarl Field: But it dont get thicker physically
[2009/04/09 12:42] Dionysos Ulrik: every part of the body ?
[2009/04/09 12:42] Tarl Field: After a time the body starts reading the pain signal as less and less
[2009/04/09 12:42] Tarl Field: which is a risk at it self
[2009/04/09 12:42] Lilystarre Darkstone: she misunderstood You to mean that is the sub's body was cold,,,*warm smile
[2009/04/09 12:43] Tarl Field: Ahhh no i meant the illness cold... smiles
[2009/04/09 12:43] Dionysos Ulrik: this has to do with nervus i gues ?
[2009/04/09 12:43] Clairin Chronowire is Offline
[2009/04/09 12:43] Lilystarre Darkstone: laughing softly* yes Sir
[2009/04/09 12:43] Tarl Field: correct dion
[2009/04/09 12:44] Tarl Field: Its like some martial arts they train to reprogram the body to not react on the pain and in time the body dont feel the pain and can contiune to fight
[2009/04/09 12:44] Tarl Field: Same thing apply to pain in time the body will handle higher and higher levels
[2009/04/09 12:44] Lilystarre Darkstone: nodding thoughtfully**
[2009/04/09 12:44] Dionysos Ulrik: is it a good idea to test this out on a new sub with like say . a needle . to get a understading how "thick "her skin is ?
[2009/04/09 12:44] Tarl Field: That when you have to be really alert to read the signs so you dont hurt your sub badly
[2009/04/09 12:45] Tarl Field: I dont know needles hurt even if your thick skinned..laugh
[2009/04/09 12:45] Dionysos Ulrik: or how sensivtive
[2009/04/09 12:45] Lilystarre Darkstone: ,,, this is where safe words would come in,Sir?
[2009/04/09 12:45] Tarl Field: exactly
[2009/04/09 12:45] Tarl Field: or a safe humming if your gagged
[2009/04/09 12:46] Dionysos Ulrik: i let my sub hold a set of keys in her hand when she hads her gag / she drops them as a safeword
[2009/04/09 12:46] Tarl Field: that works as well
[2009/04/09 12:46] Tarl Field: As long as you have a word/hum/sign that means stop i have a problem its all good
[2009/04/09 12:46] Dionysos Ulrik nods
[2009/04/09 12:47] Lilystarre Darkstone: * nods nods* this is something that she has heard as well, Sir Dion -- smiles softly
[2009/04/09 12:47] Tarl Field: Dont ever forget that safety is the most important thing
[2009/04/09 12:48] Tarl Field: Okay i am leaving the floor open for questions...
[2009/04/09 12:48] Dionysos Ulrik: safety is the number one in every kind of play
[2009/04/09 12:48] Dionysos Ulrik: upside down hanging .. how long is still safe without a safeword ?
[2009/04/09 12:49] Tarl Field: Well i would say when the sub gets light headed or getting to turn red in her face you might give them a break so 10-20 min
[2009/04/09 12:49] Dionysos Ulrik: i mean that she doenst use it ..... but i can imaging that the blood to the head will cause damage
[2009/04/09 12:49] Dionysos Ulrik nods . ok thank you
[2009/04/09 12:49] Tarl Field: not damage but the body is not built to pump blood that way
[2009/04/09 12:50] Tarl Field: I am a safety nut but i also learn bdsm and bondage aspecially by my own mistakes
[2009/04/09 12:50] Dionysos Ulrik: i have on more . whats the deal with water bondage ?
[2009/04/09 12:50] Tarl Field: Thats a more dangerous form
[2009/04/09 12:51] Tarl Field: you tie the sub up and throw them in a pool and let the try and get out under water
[2009/04/09 12:51] Tarl Field: As you can tell its a dangerous game
[2009/04/09 12:51] Tarl Field: ONe: The rope swell in water.
[2009/04/09 12:51] Dionysos Ulrik: when you use high presure water on her body it can cut her as well i gues
[2009/04/09 12:51] Dionysos Ulrik waits
[2009/04/09 12:51] Tarl Field: Two its harder to untie a knot under water due to one..
[2009/04/09 12:51] Lilystarre Darkstone: listens ,,,
[2009/04/09 12:52] Tarl Field: And underwater if you need to breath you cant..
[2009/04/09 12:52] Tarl Field: so water bondage is not something i recommend
[2009/04/09 12:53] Dionysos Ulrik: when she is under water
[2009/04/09 12:53] Dionysos Ulrik: and its a lot harder to chekc on youre sub wel beeing
[2009/04/09 12:53] Tarl Field: exactly
[2009/04/09 12:53] Tarl Field: and a nomral human can hold their breath around 60 second if they remain calm
[2009/04/09 12:53] Lilystarre Darkstone: might this be done more safely, in say, a bath tub? monitoring might be easier ,,,
[2009/04/09 12:53] Tarl Field: If they panic it will be much shorter
[2009/04/09 12:54] Tarl Field: well still you nedd to make sure your master never leaves you
[2009/04/09 12:54] Dionysos Ulrik: a glass see through thank would be best i gues
[2009/04/09 12:54] Dionysos Ulrik: tank
[2009/04/09 12:54] Tarl Field: well you have a problem how will you reach your sub in the tank
[2009/04/09 12:54] Dionysos Ulrik nods
[2009/04/09 12:54] Dionysos Ulrik: call baywatch
[2009/04/09 12:55] Tarl Field: well it may be to late when they come
[2009/04/09 12:55] Lilystarre Darkstone: ohhh yes,Sir,,, thank You
[2009/04/09 12:55] Dionysos Ulrik: you are right
[2009/04/09 12:55] Tarl Field: Seriously be very carefull around water if you do bondage
[2009/04/09 12:55] Dionysos Ulrik: i have never tried i just heard of it
[2009/04/09 12:56] Fredrik McGinnis is Offline
[2009/04/09 12:56] Tarl Field: I tried it on a beach by floating my sub while she was tied up but i never let her go so she sank under water
[2009/04/09 12:56] Tarl Field: she was stressed enough from floating tied up
[2009/04/09 12:56] Dionysos Ulrik: i can imaging that very well
[2009/04/09 12:56] Lilystarre Darkstone: she too can imagine, Sir ,,,,
[2009/04/09 12:57] Dionysos Ulrik smiles
[2009/04/09 12:57] Tarl Field: Plus if you carry a bound girl into the water at a public beach well how long do you think it takes the cops to show up... grins
[2009/04/09 12:57] Lilystarre Darkstone: laughing softly* You do have a point,Sir
[2009/04/09 12:57] Tarl Field: I know as i been pulled over by the police suspected of kidnapping
[2009/04/09 12:58] Fredrik McGinnis is Online
[2009/04/09 12:58] Dionysos Ulrik: and that wassent part of the rp ?
[2009/04/09 12:58] Dionysos Ulrik smiles
[2009/04/09 12:58] Susanne Rugani: lol
[2009/04/09 12:58] Lilystarre Darkstone: swallows her laughter -- whispers* ohh my
[2009/04/09 12:58] Tarl Field: All because we dumped a friend into the trunk and drove around a corned and let her out but no one saw her being let out...lol
[2009/04/09 12:58] Dionysos Ulrik: ahahahah
[2009/04/09 12:59] Dionysos Ulrik: we have that every year with the new students
[2009/04/09 12:59] Tarl Field: Its not fun to be stopped by 4 copcars with all the cops being about 6"4
[2009/04/09 12:59] Tarl Field: I was lucky to get oof with a warning....lol
[2009/04/09 13:00] Tarl Field: But to end this class remember play fun, consecsual and safe
[2009/04/09 13:00] Tarl Field: So you can play many more days
[2009/04/09 13:00] Leila Chieng smiles
[2009/04/09 13:00] Tarl Field: And thanks for coming
[2009/04/09 13:00] Dionysos Ulrik: beeing pulled over with in the back seat 2 tied up subs and a trunk full of "play" gear is a good story as well
[2009/04/09 13:00] Dionysos Ulrik: thank you for youre time Tarl
[2009/04/09 13:01] Tarl Field: Next weel it will be dominance and it might be a t a later time so check the noties
[2009/04/09 13:01] Tarl Field: week
[2009/04/09 13:01] Dionysos Ulrik: same time Tarl ?
[2009/04/09 13:01] Tarl Field: Trying to match the time so it fit the states a bit better
[2009/04/09 13:01] Lilystarre Darkstone: softly* thank You,Sir ... t'was an intersting class
[2009/04/09 13:01] Tarl Field: Might be 1 or 2 hours later
[2009/04/09 13:01] Dionysos Ulrik: oh ok no problem
[2009/04/09 13:02] Susanne Rugani: thanks tarl!
[2009/04/09 13:02] Leila Chieng: Thank you for the lesson
[2009/04/09 13:02] Jan Levee: Thank you Sir
[2009/04/09 13:02] Tarl Field: Your all welcome