Friday 13 March 2009

BDSM-Life Manager Meeting Transcript

[13:00] Constanza Amsterdam: Ok .... let start this and get it over with :P
[13:00] Constanza Amsterdam: Welcome all off you to the BDSM-Life meeting
[13:00] Lapa Vella: thanks Cons. and hello too ppl arount
[13:00] Constanza Amsterdam: before asking questions, please let me finish....... afterwards i have time for questions. :)
[13:00] Professor Sadovnycha is Online
[13:01] Constanza Amsterdam: As some off you know or heard, LL is going to change some off the adult content policies in SL
[13:01] Constanza Amsterdam: What does this mean?
[13:01] Constanza Amsterdam: As far as clear now, LL will have a rating with 3 flags: PG, Mature and Adult
[13:02] Constanza Amsterdam: What they define under Mature and Adult is not known yet
[13:02] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Roni Scarmon! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:02] Constanza Amsterdam: So the only thing we can do in that case is wait and see what happends
[13:02] Constanza Amsterdam: However.......
[13:03] Constanza Amsterdam: Due to the nature of our sim.... we will be rated as Adult
[13:03] Evil Titler: Wynter Thei needs a new title! To set it, anyone may say the text on /13. Wynter is not able to change it.
[13:03] Constanza Amsterdam: LL wants everyone rated as Adult to move to a seperate continent.... Adult continent
[13:03] Constanza Amsterdam: and that is something we dont want
[13:03] Constanza Amsterdam takes a breath......lol
[13:04] Wynter Thei: lol breathe consi breathe
[13:04] Constanza Amsterdam: Lord and i have discussed all options all day
[13:04] Evil Titler: No-one gave Wynter Thei a new title! Wynter will stay with the existing one for a while more.
[13:04] Lapa Vella: im not see problem... why you upset?
[13:04] Constanza Amsterdam: and we are keeping a close eye on any changes made during today to the blogs, forums and everything is else
[13:05] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Talon Tunwarm! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:05] Constanza Amsterdam: We have decided that BDSM-Life as it is now, cant stay here... so we are going to make it smaller........
[13:05] Constanza Amsterdam: with just a meeting area, my mainshop and that is it
[13:05] Roni Scarmon: :-(
[13:06] Talon Tunwarm kicks Sammi's chair as he trys to sit down
[13:06] Tarl Field: i am sorry to hear that
[13:06] Constanza Amsterdam: Landprices will drop like the econimy in the US is at the moment
[13:06] Blake Kohime is Online
[13:06] Sammi Loire: ooo talon
[13:06] Talon Tunwarm: lol
[13:06] Constanza Amsterdam: and we cant afford that
[13:06] Sammi Loire: lol
[13:06] Roni Scarmon: lol
[13:06] Sammi Loire: moves it forward
[13:06] Talon Tunwarm leans over and plays with Sammi's hair
[13:06] Constanza Amsterdam: So we are going to keep half a sim
[13:07] Constanza Amsterdam: with my store, a small meeting area, the slave auction and lecture room
[13:07] Constanza Amsterdam: also Tarls shop will stay
[13:07] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Zeldan Blackburn! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:07] Constanza Amsterdam: the rest will all be gonne
[13:07] Roni Scarmon: No more cafe?
[13:07] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Zeldan Blackburn! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:07] Constanza Amsterdam: Adult content Roni... we cant
[13:08] Constanza Amsterdam: We would love to keep everything as it is
[13:08] Constanza Amsterdam: believe me we do.....
[13:08] Constanza Amsterdam: But LL is seeing it different
[13:08] Tarl Field: why not have a normal dance club?
[13:08] Keelar Shelman: The slave auction could be defined adult also...
[13:08] Constanza Amsterdam: It will also mean: that people without age verification or payment info will not be allowed on our sim anymore
[13:09] Constanza Amsterdam: or any other Mature/Adult flagged land
[13:09] Constanza Amsterdam: We have no clue on what will be flagged as Adult and what will be Mature
[13:09] Constanza Amsterdam: We do know that...... sex lands with equipments is flagged as Adult
[13:09] Constanza Amsterdam: anything with sex or violence will be classed as adult
[13:10] Constanza Amsterdam: So i guess you can all see what is going to happen in SL
[13:10] Blake Kohime is Offline
[13:10] Roni Scarmon: If BDSM will be labelled adult or mature what's the issue with moving tothe adult continent?
[13:10] Talon Tunwarm: yep, will need to make an account
[13:10] Roni Scarmon: More $L?
[13:10] Constanza Amsterdam: Roni? what you think about money?
[13:11] Lapa Vella thinks can send all info about RL to LidenLab... but not wish write it in her profiles
[13:11] Constanza Amsterdam: We simply cant afford to move and buy another land
[13:11] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Robyn Rossman! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:11] Roni Scarmon: I understand. Didn't realize it would cost even more than this.
[13:11] Constanza Amsterdam: not only that..... a lot of people wont be able to come to BDSM-Life because they have eighter a free account or didnt varify age
[13:11] Fluf Fredriksson: Don't know how true it is, but LL were offering to assist relocations ...
[13:12] Constanza Amsterdam: Fluf me and Lord have been in SL long enough to know they wont
[13:12] Tarl Field: for a price i am sure they will help
[13:12] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Thomas Aker! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:12] Kodi Diesel: But wouldnt the name alone classify it as adult, or would the name change as well, i may have missed that
[13:12] Constanza Amsterdam: ok let me give you an example:
[13:12] Fluf Fredriksson: And free accounts can age verify .. I did my alt today
[13:13] Constanza Amsterdam: LL wants all Adult content on 1 continent
[13:13] Wynter Thei: Be Right Back!! ツ
[13:13] Zeldan Blackburn: does payment info not automatically verify age
[13:13] Constanza Amsterdam: that comes with: Lag........ even more then now..... people not able to go to BDSM-Life because of free accounts or not age varified....
[13:13] Keelar Shelman: whats the idea of having all adult content on one place?
[13:13] Constanza Amsterdam: It is not worth the hasstle
[13:14] Lasynda Shichiroji is Online
[13:14] Constanza Amsterdam: Keelar... we believe and a lot of other people to that LL wants to merge the Teen grid with this grid
[13:14] Zeldan Blackburn: What about a group to buy into the new continent
[13:14] Constanza Amsterdam: Bring in 900 USD and we can Zeldan
[13:14] Zeldan Blackburn: ooooooo
[13:14] Chyenne Devin is Online
[13:14] Keelar Shelman: great...SL a kiddies place
[13:14] Talon Tunwarm: lol
[13:14] Roni Scarmon: Is that 900 to move or 900/month?
[13:14] Zeldan Blackburn: 10 folk at 90?
[13:15] Constanza Amsterdam: 900 to pay to buy land and then 195 USD tier each month
[13:15] Roni Scarmon: So same price as now AFTER move?
[13:15] Constanza Amsterdam: we dont know Roni
[13:16] Constanza Amsterdam: it wouldnt surprice me if LL makes the Adult continent more exspansive
[13:16] Roni Scarmon: I could come up with $90. But is that the issue or are you concerned about losing business if you are located on the adult continent.
[13:17] Constanza Amsterdam: We have a free sex area Roni, we have been for a year. I am online most the day... the only people i see here regulair i can count on 1 hand
[13:17] Tarl Field: The real issue here is that ll wants to make money and buy forcing adult content to move to anotherserver they will make money on new land and so on
[13:17] Constanza Amsterdam: So is it worth to move a complete sim to an Adult continent for us? No
[13:17] Keelar Shelman: one continent means also one computer cluster...would be easier to make login into that harder if they want to
[13:17] Roni Scarmon: OK. Just trying to understand teh scope of teh problem.
[13:18] Constanza Amsterdam: It is not only us Roni
[13:18] Tarl Field: and your right consie the number of people coming here often is not high
[13:18] Roni Scarmon: Sex isn't paying the bills apparently. So this will not be BDSM any more after the change then.
[13:18] Constanza Amsterdam: look for example at Strokerz... he has to devide his shop into 2........ or better yet... 3 as he has PG, Mature and Adult stuff for sale
[13:18] Constanza Amsterdam: I can have my shop on Adult.........
[13:19] Constanza Amsterdam: but i cant have BDSM-Life on mature
[13:19] Constanza Amsterdam: so do we have 2 seperate sims?
[13:19] Tarl Field: well my store need to be on a adult as the outfit i make shows the nipples and sex...sigh
[13:19] Roni Scarmon: Sounds like even more $L ot me.
[13:19] Constanza Amsterdam: Nah... we rather downscale... make a nice meeting area where we can talk and meet up and have some fun
[13:19] Roni Scarmon: PG fun
[13:19] Constanza Amsterdam: Heya Kaddan
[13:20] Kaddan Yue: hello
[13:20] Constanza Amsterdam: indeed Roni... PG/Mature fun
[13:20] Constanza Amsterdam: Which will maybe even attracked more people in the sim......lol
[13:20] Constanza Amsterdam: Heya Gemini
[13:20] Kaddan Yue: ggunleash
[13:20] Gemeni Giha: hello Constanza
[13:20] Constanza Amsterdam: and Hey Leesa
[13:21] Kaddan Yue: lbunleash
[13:21] Constanza Amsterdam: I know this all comes as a shock
[13:21] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Kaddan Yue! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:21] Constanza Amsterdam: believe me... we werent to happy with this new nice policy
[13:21] Roni Scarmon: TO you most of all I'm sure!
[13:21] Robyn Rossman: SorryIsnt this all in disscussion stage with LL constanza
[13:21] Constanza Amsterdam: No Robyn, they let you think it is
[13:22] Constanza Amsterdam: Same happend with the Gambling a few years ago
[13:22] Zeldan Blackburn: Constanza is correct that they want to link with teens
[13:22] Robyn Rossman: Ok just thats how I read the blog
[13:22] Constanza Amsterdam: and they want to start implementing it within 6 weeks already
[13:22] Fluf Fredriksson: No gambling was rolled out without warning .. this time they haev put up forum posts for discussion and invited comment
[13:22] Leesa Back: lbnadu1
[13:23] Constanza Amsterdam: Not true Fluf.... it started with a similair discussing and was implemented within 6 weeks aswell
[13:23] Roni Scarmon: Got a link to the forum? I wouldn't mind expressing my opinion!
[13:23] Constanza Amsterdam: http://forums.secondlife.com/showthread.php?t=311510
[13:24] Constanza Amsterdam: When you read the forum, please also pay attention to the Lindens..... they dont even know what is going to happen
[13:24] Tarl Field: sounds like sl want to be a pg play area...
[13:24] Constanza Amsterdam: some say we have to move, others say we dont
[13:24] Constanza Amsterdam: but as we know LL.... we quess we have to
[13:25] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Lilliana Roux! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:25] Keelar Shelman: what i dont understand.....kids wont bring money into SL, at least not as much as adult do. But on the other hand, many adults will leave if that happens
[13:25] Keelar Shelman: isnt LL just giving themselves the money drop?
[13:25] Constanza Amsterdam: Keelar.... SL is a company who has made biljons of residents like us....
[13:26] Robyn Rossman: Well I think there is a big problem with under age kids getting into places like this
[13:26] Constanza Amsterdam: the intention of LL with SL was purly to build a 3D internet and we have been the testbunnies
[13:26] Kaddan Yue: Which is LL's fault
[13:26] Constanza Amsterdam: LL has been out of touch with its residents since 2 years already
[13:27] Constanza Amsterdam: they wont listen
[13:27] Fluf Fredriksson: I'm with Robyn .. age verification is actually a good thing .. perhaps being badly roleld out .. but a good thing in theory
[13:27] Kaddan Yue: This is a done deal
[13:27] Constanza Amsterdam: and they are clueless
[13:27] Zeldan Blackburn: people will leave my home is in a mature area
[13:27] Constanza Amsterdam: it is Kaddan
[13:27] Zeldan Blackburn: they would kick me out too
[13:27] Deanna McBride is Online
[13:27] Roni Scarmon: My home is HERE!
[13:27] Zeldan Blackburn: smiles
[13:27] Kaddan Yue: They should not have closed the Teen Grid
[13:27] Constanza Amsterdam: and a part will stay Roni
[13:27] Talon Tunwarm: love this place
[13:28] Thomas Aker: were not all lucky as you Roni
[13:28] Kaddan Yue: now they are making thier issue ours
[13:28] Constanza Amsterdam: So true
[13:28] Roni Scarmon: B*st*rds! <----PG swearing
[13:28] Constanza Amsterdam: lol
[13:28] Sammi Loire: lol hahaah
[13:28] Talon Tunwarm: lol
[13:28] Constanza Amsterdam: I hope you all can understand our action to this
[13:28] Constanza Amsterdam: we stay but smaller
[13:28] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Bobby Triellis! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:28] Constanza Amsterdam: loads will leave now again
[13:28] Kaddan Yue: very true
[13:28] Talon Tunwarm: bdsm...is a four letter word now?
[13:28] Kodi Diesel: I had hearda rumor they were trying to pg the whole thing to make it ripe to sell, harder with adult content
[13:29] Constanza Amsterdam: this my guess will be the downfall of SL
[13:29] Tarl Field: and consie if you want to stay my shop cant stay as its rated adult on xstreetsl
[13:29] Constanza Amsterdam: we believe so to Kodi... our guess today was that SL will be sold
[13:29] Talon Tunwarm: will be a downfall for awhile, but with new people coming in....
[13:29] Constanza Amsterdam: Tarl, dont worry for now
[13:30] Constanza Amsterdam: not if they cant find sex talon
[13:30] Tarl Field: new people=teenagers
[13:30] Constanza Amsterdam: sex sells.... in any world
[13:30] Thomas Aker: so we cant do slave auctions?
[13:30] Talon Tunwarm: so true
[13:30] Constanza Amsterdam: if it is not here... people will leave... believe me
[13:30] Tarl Field: i am not worried but xstreet forced my items to adult as they show the nipples
[13:30] Constanza Amsterdam: For now we continue the auctions Thomas
[13:30] Keelar Shelman: another rumor says they are trying to create an open standard for 3d environments
[13:30] Keelar Shelman: maybe another SL will pop up then...but thats a long shot
[13:31] Constanza Amsterdam: Like i said Keelas... SL was intented as a 3d internet envorment
[13:31] Constanza Amsterdam: we were just test bunnies
[13:31] Constanza Amsterdam: and i know people who are working on that one Keelar ;)
[13:32] Constanza Amsterdam: So lets make this a great PG meeting area with likeminded people
[13:32] Keelar Shelman: Working on it until L comes and buys them off?
[13:32] Tarl Field: guess i will make the bodystockings opaque and sell them as velour catsuits
[13:32] Roni Scarmon: lololol
[13:33] Blake Rembrandt is Online
[13:33] Roni Scarmon: Oh doo doo!
[13:33] Kodi Diesel: *grin*
[13:33] Constanza Amsterdam: Keelar, they wont be able to as the owner wont let LL buy it....lol
[13:33] Sammi Loire: hhahahahhahh
[13:33] Kaddan Yue: I see that for private sims we just have to flag it correct
[13:33] Constanza Amsterdam: He is so damn anti LL... that will never happen
[13:33] Constanza Amsterdam: yes Kaddan, island are lucky
[13:34] Kaddan Yue: good
[13:34] Thomas Aker: boy and i thought the TV Sencers were bad
[13:34] Kaddan Yue: okay so they want more people to buy private islands
[13:34] Constanza Amsterdam: this is all due to the fact that LL wants to merge the tengrid
[13:34] Kaddan Yue: LL always has hiden agenda's
[13:34] Constanza Amsterdam: so true Kaddan
[13:35] Roni Scarmon: Teen grid is probably not paying for itself
[13:35] Kaddan Yue: they want sim sales to boost
[13:35] Constanza Amsterdam: it is even this bad, that i am quiting as SecondLife Mentor
[13:35] Kaddan Yue: well it's pretty much closed
[13:35] Tarl Field: All it comes down it is the americans double standards about sex and voilence and crap. No offence meant to people thats not hypocrits
[13:35] Kaddan Yue: has been for about a month
[13:35] John11011967 Karu is Online
[13:35] Roni Scarmon: SO true Tarl!
[13:35] Roni Scarmon: We a bunch of prudes over here
[13:35] Thomas Aker: theres a show og LL thinking teen is not paying so they make SL a kiddy grid hmmmmmm......
[13:36] Constanza Amsterdam: thank god i live in Holland
[13:36] Talon Tunwarm: only can have sex with animales in america...lol
[13:36] Kaddan Yue: that is not nice
[13:36] Kaddan Yue: all of us don't think like that
[13:36] Thomas Aker: naaaa thats Mexico
[13:36] Kitty Armband by *Sterremare Designs whispers: You look great wearing me, Islandgirl Biler.
[13:36] Fluf Fredriksson: When are you planning on shrinking down the sim then? Constanza?
[13:37] Constanza Amsterdam: ASAP
[13:37] Fluf Fredriksson: k
[13:37] Constanza Amsterdam: the new months tier has been paid
[13:37] Kaddan Yue: okay so we loss shops
[13:37] Tarl Field: so with in 4 weeks then
[13:37] Roni Scarmon: I cansee the eadline on the BDSM Newsletter....if there was a newsletter.
[13:37] Constanza Amsterdam: So a PG BDSM-Life will remain and so is my store
[13:37] Thomas Aker: guess my idea for nude Sub sky diving contest just went out the window
[13:38] Roni Scarmon: lol
[13:38] Constanza Amsterdam: lol
[13:38] Tarl Field: i need to make all the bodystockings opaque
[13:38] Silkie Muir: ahhhh. These was an item on the forums about nudity
[13:38] Constanza Amsterdam: We have to do that fast then Thomas
[13:38] Tarl Field: which destroys the idea i had with them
[13:38] Roni Scarmon: And crotched!
[13:38] Bobby Triellis: And a Mature BDSM?
[13:38] Thomas Aker: unless you sell them underground Tarl
[13:38] Silkie Muir: Mudity that is not sex related is ok for mature
[13:38] Tarl Field: they have never been crotchless roni...laugh
[13:39] Constanza Amsterdam: without heavy sex yes Bobby, we cant have any sex related stuff here
[13:39] Silkie Muir: so unless you are having sex while you skydive, its fine according to the linden that posted it
[13:39] Constanza Amsterdam: but naked we can as we will flag it as mature
[13:39] Constanza Amsterdam: lmfao
[13:39] Happy Hawkeye is Offline
[13:39] Roni Scarmon: Mature=nudity & adult=sex?
[13:39] Constanza Amsterdam: Dark Den will not be flagged as Adult
[13:39] Kaddan Yue: why
[13:40] Constanza Amsterdam: No sex Kaddan
[13:40] Constanza Amsterdam: lol
[13:40] Kaddan Yue: lol
[13:40] Silkie Muir: basically and mass murder is probably ok in PG but should be ok in Mature so long as you aren't naked while you do it
[13:40] Kaddan Yue: oh then I am a man
[13:40] Constanza Amsterdam: they are so out of touch
[13:40] Roni Scarmon: lol
[13:40] Talon Tunwarm: just kidnap and torture
[13:40] Thomas Aker: we need to collar LL
[13:40] Tarl Field: if sl is 18 + why do they allow kid avatars?
[13:40] Constanza Amsterdam: ok no sex stuff here then
[13:40] Roni Scarmon: Sigh
[13:41] Constanza Amsterdam: we keep it Mature in a PG style...... but half the land as we have now
[13:41] Kaddan Yue: wait
[13:41] Talon Tunwarm: bondage is okay?
[13:41] Kaddan Yue: does that mean Bull has to close
[13:41] Robyn Rossman: Tarl it LL double standards thats why
[13:41] Constanza Amsterdam: not sex then Talon
[13:41] Silkie Muir: probably not
[13:41] Tarl Field: if they rate things her as mature what is my classes they are treatign a adutl subject as bdsm...
[13:41] Roni Scarmon: Only if you're not enjoyign it
[13:41] Constanza Amsterdam: YES KADDAN
[13:41] John11011967 Karu: wow
[13:41] Constanza Amsterdam: i was waiting for that
[13:41] Kaddan Yue: Great
[13:41] Constanza Amsterdam: whahahahahah
[13:41] John11011967 Karu: hwehehehehe
[13:41] Kaddan Yue: sorry
[13:41] Constanza Amsterdam: lol
[13:42] Thomas Aker: hmmm no chance of renting a place in the "adult area" and set up the toys there like the Dungen we had on the island?
[13:42] Constanza Amsterdam: We will see Thomas.... for now... we dont know
[13:42] Talon Tunwarm: bondage toys okay, as long they dont have sex balls?
[13:42] Constanza Amsterdam: They are not even sure if Gor will be flagged as Adult as it is not explicit sexsual
[13:43] Kaddan Yue: So if I had a private Island
[13:43] Constanza Amsterdam: yes Kaddan
[13:43] Kaddan Yue: and invited you to have your auctions I could do this
[13:43] Constanza Amsterdam: Yes Kaddan as long as your land is flagged rightly
[13:43] Kaddan Yue: yes it would be
[13:43] Constanza Amsterdam: but if Gor can stay on Mature
[13:43] Tarl Field: excuse me..lol
[13:43] Evil Titler: Wynter Thei needs a new title! To set it, anyone may say the text on /13. Wynter is not able to change it.
[13:43] Constanza Amsterdam: So will auctions
[13:43] Thomas Aker: this is going to be hard on us managers to tell our visiters to stay dressed and no funny stuff
[13:43] Tarl Field: gor is 99% about sex...lol
[13:44] Kaddan Yue: so that is offer I lend to you
[13:44] Constanza Amsterdam: Thank you Kaddan :)
[13:44] Evil Titler: No-one gave Wynter Thei a new title! Wynter will stay with the existing one for a while more.
[13:44] Talon Tunwarm: if you need to join a group to visit an island, that would be okay?
[13:45] Constanza Amsterdam: Not if its not flagged Talon
[13:45] Talon Tunwarm: okay
[13:45] Roni Scarmon: An alternative could be paying for group membership to purchase and maintain land. It wouldn't be "Free" any more, of course.
[13:45] Constanza Amsterdam: Landowners will have to flag land not groups
[13:45] Talon Tunwarm: 1L to join would be close
[13:45] Talon Tunwarm: i see
[13:46] Constanza Amsterdam: So i hope you all understand our way to go and will keep supporting us
[13:46] Talon Tunwarm: will do
[13:47] Roni Scarmon: Of course
[13:47] Constanza Amsterdam: if you have any suggestions... please let me know
[13:47] Constanza Amsterdam: and questions are welcome to
[13:47] Thomas Aker: as allways
[13:47] Tarl Field: consie i wont disappere
[13:47] Constanza Amsterdam: We will be working closly with Kaddan and Sir John
[13:47] John11011967 Karu: *Smiles*
[13:47] Kaddan Yue: excellent
[13:47] Constanza Amsterdam: For sex... go to Kaddan... oeps
[13:47] Thomas Aker: do I have to remove the Collar Ceremoney ?
[13:47] Constanza Amsterdam: for chitchat... come here
[13:48] Constanza Amsterdam: No Thomas
[13:48] Thomas Aker: yaaa
[13:48] Classroomchair5prims whispers: Hi Lapa Vella! Touch me for Menu. Say /1a to Adjust.
[13:48] Constanza Amsterdam: :)
[13:48] Constanza Amsterdam: any other questions?

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